Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Guest Post: Anger is Armor

by StillStanding1

There was a comment on one of the threads recently where one of our sister warriors couldn’t understand how calm and level we all were. Where was our anger? Weren’t we furious!? Why weren’t we screaming and breaking things!? This post is for you (and for all of us).
I think we are taught young that anger is “bad.”  Especially if we are girls, the inevitable silencing we experience emphasizes the erasure of any difficult emotion that makes us appear unladylike or, worse, makes others uncomfortable. We must be quiet and submit. We are fed messages that tell us we must always be positive. Don’t pout. Turn that frown upside down. Just smile. You’d be prettier if you smiled.
Then D-Day happens.
After the grief, pain, shock, horror, numbness, fear (or sometimes before those things), there is an unquenchable rage, like nothing we’ve ever felt before. And we are totally unequipped to deal with it because we have no practice. We maybe even fear our own anger. It's big. It makes us say and do crazy things. But that anger, in those first moments, is protecting us. It’s a kind of temporary armor. It is shielding us from the pain and hurt that is fueling it.
I was sitting in bed early evening on Jan.1 reading. We had returned from visiting a relative for New Year’s Eve. It was a gruelling, exhausting trip but one that we made, despite no one wanting to go, because of how hurt the host would be if we hadn’t (the address is at the intersection of dysfunction junction and codependence court). My husband had been awful. Drinking even more than usual and being just a cocky shithead. I was glad to be home, unpacked and resting in some relative quiet (cue the ominous music).
He walked in to the room and shut the door. Gave me his prepared speech. He was unhappy, thinks I’ve been unhappy too and wants a divorce. “What are you talking about? Are you crazy?” This is out of nowhere from where I’m sitting. Then…in less than a second, all the pieces click together and these words come out of my mouth before the synapses stop firing. “There’s someone at work, isn’t there?”
He admits, yes. And I am, in that moment, pure rage. I have so much adrenaline my skin hurts. I can’t see. I’m shaking. I spew something at him like “You are the only person I have ever loved, you worthless piece of shit.” I push him aside and race out of the room. Some hind part of my brain knew I would not look good in prison orange and got me out of there before I beat him to death with my bare hands.
I came to myself driving. I had no idea where I was going but realized I was in no state to drive, so I pulled over in a park. And sat there, shaking, raging, my skin on fire, ready to run 500 miles and kill a bear at the end of it. And for many months since then, anger has been a regular visitor. I did many embarrassing things in those immediate weeks, in addition to crying and generally losing my shit, sometimes barely making it from one second to the next, and eventually discovering my strength. But often, I was just fucking angry.
The thing is, anger is a feeling like any other. It’s not good or bad in and of itself. It just is. Just like love. Just like sadness. Just like contentment. Feelings just come up. Each has a job or something to tell you. And its what you do with them that matters. Anger scares people around us because it generally means that we are about to not put up with their bullshit anymore. It means they might have to face some uncomfortable things themselves. Anger tells us when our boundaries have been violated. It's part of our body’s fantastic and sensitive alarm system.
Anger is also a defense mechanism. Have you ever observed someone get angry when they are embarrassed? Or feeling hurt? Or shamed? They lash out to push the shame or embarrassment or hurt on to someone else. It’s a kind of emotional offloading. And it armors them up, makes them hard. They think maybe if they just stay angry, they won’t be hurt again.  And they end up hurting others instead.  Sound familiar?
Anger is essential to recovery. Your anger is legitimate. Justified. You are entitled to rage. Lean into it. Do no harm. But feel all of it. Let the revenge fantasies rise. Picture chasing her naked ass in your car and mowing her down with it. Or, if you are like me, you prefer the simple expedient of smashing their heads between concrete blocks or with a crow bar.  Lean into those thoughts. Don’t fight them. Run them out. Bench press. Hit a punching bag. Expend that energy. That’s all it is in the end. Just energy. Get that shit out of your body. And what you’ll find underneath is what the armor of anger is hiding. The hurt, the grief, the pain, the sorrow. All the pieces of you to be put back together. Softened up but more beautiful than ever.
I had a neighbor who had been through an ugly divorce preceded by her husband’s infidelity. (I didn’t get it at the time. You often don’t until you join the club.) She wears her pain like a badge. She’s bitter but disguises it as longsuffering. It has been nearly a decade. I’m not saying she needs to be over it because I don’t know the other parts of her story and that’s not mine to judge. But what I do know is that I don’t want that to be me. Although I give myself permission to feel my anger, I won’t build a suit of armor from it.
Months after D-Day, I found two photos that my phone snapped as I was running from that awful moment. It captures exactly what I saw. Dark strange lines, blurred, red, hint of a window. The room familiar yet completely alien, tilted crazily. It was like nothing I had ever felt before (or thankfully since). And when I look at those pictures, I can still feel the ghost of that rage in my body, the burning of my skin. I’m hopeful that someday those pictures will not command that same power. That I will look at them and feel only sympathy for my wounded, former self, and now it was just a single chapter in a really, really long, incredible story.  Because anger, like all things, like all feelings, has its time and then passes.

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  1. One thing I find interesting is my husband many times has said he wishes I would get angry. I have never been one to get angry about anything. I just do not express myself that way. He does not get super angry but it is an emotion he is much more in touch with and will express his feelings that way at times. So I found through this process that he was bothered I was not angry or expressing it in a way he would. Instead I tend want to talk or I cry/get emotional. I tend to be an introvert and I take my time expressing my thoughts and work through what I am feeling before I say it. I think everyone has their way of coping but I found it to be one more way he was wanting me to fall in line with what he wanted or what felt best for him. I think also the times I was emotional or crying made it near impossible for him to cope with his guilt. In the end I did not care. I needed to do what felt right for me. Over the course of time I worked to prepare my thoughts and get less emotional mainly so I would feel better in the end and he worked at not being defensive or angry. This is such a process and I find we all cope a little differently but I think that is good.

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    1. Hopeful 30,
      This was close to my anger style too. I knew I needed to express that emotion directly to my H, but I had a hard time with it, or rather it came out differently than I imagine most people experience. Right after D day I read somewhere that I HAD to express the anger and not hold it in. In the moment when I found out, I was in shock and calm. I didnt even cry until much later. I listened and held him, comforting him while he cried. I'm not sure what allowed for that, but it felt wierd to us both that I was so disconnected from what was happening to me. Almost like i was just looking in on someone else's life. This could NOT be my life, so no need to panic. As for the anger, the best I could do is sit my H down a week later and deliver a litany of everything I saw as so unfair about his behavior. I had processed my words ahead of time and I prefaced the whole thing with, "Now I need to express to you all the anger I feel about what you did. I need you to sit and hear it all. I did your laundry when you came home from these trips. YOUR LAUNDRY! And you let me. I was planning your parents 50th wedding anniversary party while you were with one of them!..." and I went on for a while. I didn't yell or call him names. I felt in control. It wasn't the big burn-your-clothes-on-the-lawn movie moment I assumed anyone would instantly perform in my position. The anger just didn't work like that for me where my H was concerned. As you say, we're all different. As for my anger toward the OW, that was much more overwhelming for me. Scared me actually. I was terrified to run into one because I didn't know if I could hold back and keep myself out of jail. I'm very glad I spoke those words to my H that day (it did hurt him, but rightly and fairly so), and it would have been OK to have burned his belongings too. He deserved to be faced with my anger however i chose to deliver it. He still remembers my statements and flashes back with shame, so i did get through. Different styles, but that emotion is strong and hits differently for each of us.

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    2. Ann, Yes I was very much the same. I did not comfort him though. In typical fashion I wanted him to leave me alone. I wanted to internalize everything. I struggled to make sense of it mentally. I am cursed with an excellent memory and it feels like it just happened moments ago. In a way I wish I could just scream, yell and have some epic moment. I wonder if it would make me feel better. But I just do not have that in me. I was not raised that way or in that type of environment. It was always very controlled and that is how I would say I am. I agree my biggest fear was running into one of the ow. I know I would not have been so in control. In the end I am happy with how I have handled myself. I have zero regrets and I am able to select choice words due to my high level of reflection so it has also sunk in and sat with my husband for these years.

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  2. SS1 - you said it beautifully.
    My anger and hatred toward STBX comes in waves, and I am riding these out. The pain and disbelief in what he has done over our 30 year history is real, that comes out in anger and hatred.
    The anger and hate I feel toward STBX when I stop and think about this - all the lies, the deception when I was giving 100% love and loyalty to him, all the support I gave when he needed it, to then for him to turn around and not be here for me, discard me, my feelings, our relationship our kids and our family we created... the sadness I feel if I dwell on it, is heartbreaking.
    But, I will get through my anger and hatred when I am ready... a bit hard when I hear he's being inconsistent with the kids, when he's not parenting up and when he's living his fuck boy ways.
    Despite these feelings of anger and hatred I have, there is a calmness about me (that I hope is not an underlying contradiction about to explode ) - I can't explain this, sort of like a void in my heart and head.
    I look forward to working with my IC about these feelings.
    Distracting myself with my kids, my friends and exercise really does help....and some light hearted funny movies.

    Hugs
    Gabby xo

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  3. Elle, Ladies - I need some advice and help please.

    I want to try and work through this and stay with him, I really truly do. Knowing the truth of what he did so easily is devastating, and the injustice of it all skews my thoughts of our future on a daily basis.

    He confessed to cheating many times with many women over our entire relationship in a pattern that began long before me. He left me a total of 5 times for what I thought was depression/anxiety (call me stupid!), but he confessed in a suicide letter that he thought he was in love with 2 of the women so he left me at least twice for other women. As soon as he got the opportunity to be with them, he realized he didn't love them and begged for me back excusing the break-ups as anxiety (which I'm sure he was having).

    Before the disclosure, I never felt desire from him despite him telling me how much he loved me and how attracted he was to me each time I brought it up. The last time he left he told me he didn't feel any sexual chemistry, which was not only extremely hurtful but also very surprising because I just never thought he was a sexual guy - he never initiated sex (now I know it was sexual anorexia) and told me all of the women in his past complained about this so it didn't have anything to do with me. In addition to having an intimacy disorder, I believe he was saving himself for his encounters with these women, and all of the women in his life were doing the initiating so only HE felt desired.

    This man has put me through so much pain, and my children through so much instability. I was so good to him and have felt so discarded. I am in so much pain and so angry sometimes I get scared that I am just going to up and leave.

    He accepts 100% responsibility and is 100% committed to me, rebuilding our relationship, demonstrates care, emotion, intimacy, gentleness, compassion, transparency each present day. We are in counselling, he sees a CSAT on his own and also attends a 12 step meeting weekly. He is truly wonderful TODAY.

    I'm struggling at 11 months from D-Day #1 and 7 months from D-day #2 - I need to know if it is normal to not feel "in love" with him? If you experienced this too, how long and what did you do to get that feeling back? I am having such a hard time looking at him, keeping my heart open and even wanting to let him feel love from me - but I do want to.

    Please let me know if you felt this, and if/how to get it back :(

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    1. Spouse of SA,
      Your story sounds so much like my own.
      I can't promise you that you will ever feel "in love" with him again. I had pretty much given up achieving that and resigned myself to staying until my children were older.
      And then, over, literally, years, I fell in love with him. I fell in love with his humour. I fell in love with his kindness. I fell in love with how hard he was working to be a better person. I fell in love with his sensitivity. I fell in love with what an incredible dad he was. And on and on.
      Like your husband, mine worked incredibly hard, knowing that it might not make any difference to our marriage. He worked hard because he was disgusted with himself and because he wanted to be able to look in the mirror and like the person he saw.
      You've had so much to absorb over the past 11 months. Your body and brain are still reeling, no doubt. So let him focus on his recovery and you focus on yours. Do whatever you need to do to heal. Sex addiction is traumatizing to the partner so be sure to treat yourself as someone with post-trauma. You have a lot of anger to work through. You're trying to apply logic to addiction and it doesn't work. Addiction doesn't make sense. An addict is someone driven not by logic or reason but by impulse and pain avoidance. His sex addiction wasn't about you at all. It was about avoiding intimacy, avoiding rejection, avoiding pain. The more you understand (without trying to manage his recovery), the better you'll be able to shake off his behaviour and (i know it sounds crazy) not take it personally. I'm aware that my husband's sex addiction wasn't any different than my mother's alcoholism. Both chose something that allowed them to escape rather than deal with life.
      What you'll likely find is that you either fall in love with this "new" man...or you don't. But either way, I suspect you'll be able to respect him. And that will bode well for your friendship whatever happens.

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    2. Spouse of SA,
      I am 2.5. years past my husbands disclosure to me and I've often wondered if I will ever feel "in love" with him again. I was so stunned when he sat me down and looked me in the eye and said, "I think I have AIDS. I've been paying for prostitutes for years." My dear God I was stunned. I was shocked. I had no anger for at least a month. Initially I held him as he cried after I asked a few questions. I told him I'd take care of him and I told him I loved him. It was a convoluted path from his disclosure in June 2015 to where I am now and it is clear to me that this evolution will continue as long as I live. Since my last breakdown about three weeks ago I've been able to be logical around this experience. My husband is so upset with himself and triggered by all that is being disclosed in the media right now. He has not "acted out" (God I hate that phrase so much) since disclosure and he has worked very hard to become a better man. I'm learning to talk less and listen more and be very attuned to his emotions even more so than he is. The other night he was very quiet and I knew he was in turmoil internally over some things that were just little blips in life as far as I was concerned but it was an eye opening experience to watch how he just could not see them as little blips. When we go to be he usually holds me for a bit but that night he just turned his back to me and I waited and waited but nothing. After about 10 minutes I asked him to hold me and asked him to share what he was feeling in his body. He slowly talked about the feelings and turmoil and then he cried and cried about what a "selfish asshole" he had been and how much he loved me and appreciated the second chance. He again asked for forgiveness and I asked him to please keep talking to me and to not shut me out when his emotions/feelings/body was internalizing the outside things out of his control. His sex addiction was all about control. It was never about me and I know that now. He always felt out of control from a young child when bad things happened to him all the time. I was a mess at 11 months and I probably spent hours on this blog during that time going back and reading everything from day one of the blog. I struggled so much not hating him and when my anger bubbled up I lashed out bitterly and said some very cutting and hurtful and mean things. Seriously, I asked him to go buy a gun and please go out into the woods and shoot himself. I prayed for him to die. I wanted to find him dead of a heart attack. I wanted to know that our adult kids would never know what a fucked up man their father was.

      Like Elle said, I've slowly watched as he maintained his integrity, shared his feelings, changed his ways and stayed by me when I cried for hours and when I lashed out. I think he "gets" it now, I really do but we both know that this is a process and that we have to stay open and connected for us to make it as a couple. We will be married 39 years in January. He is a very damaged man who made some very bad decisions. I know I love him and I know he has done some very bad things. I also know it was never about me. This does not mean that I won't ever fall down that dark hole again but I do think it means that he is showing me by his actions and in his words and all of his life choices that he is sincere in wanting to stay married to me. At the end of our evening when he fell apart and opened up to me he said, "Thank you for saving my life". I said, "I can do this because I know that I will be OK alone if it comes to that and I know that we have very clear boundaries." He agreed and we had great sex.

      I never ever thought I'd be here and as long as I keep getting up when I fall, I will be OK. So will you. Keep your life simple, get some exercise, breathe, eat healthy foods and keep coming back here. I don't know if I will ever be "in love" with him again but what I feel is good enough for me to stay right now.

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    3. Elle, Beach Girl - thank you both so much. Your words have given me so much hope, provided he stays on the path he is on of course.

      Last night after I read Elle's response I feel in my heart this is possible, but I need to open up. We were picking up my daughter from an activity and I told him how proud I was of him for changing his life, and he teared up and grabbed my hand.

      After his suicide attempt he was in the hospital for 2 weeks and on disability for 4 months. He went back to work in July (on his own) in a completely new career. Even though he was very respected in a white collar world, he decided to work as a labourer out in the cold Canadian weather shoveling gravel for 9 hours a day. He is so motivated to reach his goal of becoming a carpenter that he has already been accepted to school.

      I respect him greatly for rebuilding himself after taking 400 pills plus sleeping pills to make sure he didn't wake up. He said he can finally look at himself in the mirror and know he's the man I deserve.

      Elle my mother was/is an alcoholic as well. My psychologist compared the "substance" of a sex addict to the "substance" of an alcoholic. These women were the mouthwash or paint thinner an alcoholic uses - and that is all. You're right, I cannot even begin to try and understand this - but that comparison helps.

      Thank you so much Ladies xo

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  4. Wow. You captured it so well. I was intrigued by how anger worked with me through this. I let it come, and I tried not to control it, but somehow most of it was directed at the OW (plural women). I did use it to explain exactly what I required of my H each step of the way if he wanted to stay. I knew somehow I had to get words out to him explaining my rage. There was a definite, "I need this, or you can get the F out right now" tone to those conversations. But somehow, I thought I should probably be throwing things at him or burning things, but I never wanted to. I had all the fantasies about violence toward the OW (plural women). These visions stayed longer than I wanted them to. So much so, that I had individual therapy sessions to get to the bottom of them. It turns out it was just easier to be that angry toward someone I didn't love. When I sat with it long enough and looked underneath, what was under it was deep sadness and despair that my H picked them over me. In several moments stretching several years, he did not value me as a person or value my strengths. Instead he valued hers (theirs). He wanted easy and fun over my depth, intellect, my good heart... Ouch. Still hurts. But sitting and absorbing that helped me stop imagining causing them head trauma. Because it wasn't about them. It was about my H not valuing the essence of me. They could have been anyone. I see how he values me now. How he is amazed at my strength and integrity. How much he needs my love and appreciates my good heart. If I stop seeing that, I will take my strengths elsewhere because now I value me in a way I never did before. I have a great deal to offer the people I love. I am valuable wether others see it or not. The anger taught me that. It wasn't comfortable, and it took longer than I wanted to, but I got it. And NO ONE can ever take it from me. People are lucky when I love them.

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    1. ann - wow. Your words sound so much like what I feel, but I am still trying to get over it. Many times I think "why am I so angry at OW and not H" and in reading your words and talking to my counselor it is much what you describe and realized - it is easier to hate her than my husband who I do love and am trying to rebuild that love. I am angry at her because I knew her. I am angry because of the lack of apology towards me after I sent the "it's over" e-mail. I'm angry that after 18+ months still not a word from her. I am angry at her because she is still a part of his work life. And yet logically I know it is wasted anger. It is only bringing me down and slowing my healing. My "fight" is not with her. I know I showed some anger to H at the beginning but I don't know that it was enough. Yet I know he heard it, he gets it. Like someone else here said their H flashes back to their words...and mine does, too. He knows I meant NEVER AGAIN. But still - I'd like to continue to work to let go of the anger. It's a heavy weight for sure.

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    2. Ann yes to all you said! I think for me it was a process. I too hated the ow (plural). They both targeting my husband one tried to get his cell number for 3-4 years and she would track him down through other people. I honestly really hated both of them. Over time though I decided I did not want to waste anymore of my energy on them. Granted I did not have the work place situation so I can see that being a challenge. As far as my husband went I think it is much like Ann said it hurt the most that he did not see my value, was not honest when I did ask him questions over the years and he did not tell me how he was feeling. In the end these are all his issues that helped him validate his negative behaviors. But it all hurt still. Once I decided that I wanted to try to work it out I knew I had to embrace the idea that we had to fix this together. The only way I have been able to soften is by seeing his actions. His words are great but his actions mean more. I think the key thing is to take it day by day and not push yourself to be at a certain point. And if something is bothering me I speak up.

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  5. SS1 - I love your posts, you bring in on like it really is and the struggles. I never really believed in blind rage. Now I do because I was there. To the newly betrayed anger is any form is acceptable again it is ok. I felt that anger for at least 2 years it started in blind rages. Let you H see your emotions. It is on him if he can't handle it. He needs to see the devastation. To put it in perspective here are some of my anger outlets not condoning some of them. I'm a emotional person so this just lit my fire. This was in first 6-10 months. Cushions off the couch, humped them and screamed is this way you did it? Took all the books off of 8 shelves and threw them at him. Torn up pictures in frames and threw those all over him. Broke several remotes. Our barn doesn't have heat, told him to leave it was 21 degrees out and freeze his dick off. Scream at him until he cried. Get in the car be gone for hours, he didn't know where I was but I was sitting in a parking lot crying my eyes out. Went out in the yard and cried like a wounded animal. Anger fueled a spending spree on me, he took money out of his retirement fund to pay. Slam doors and lock myself in. On the passive aggressive side, I never cooked, took out garbage, emptied the dishwasher for 6 months. I threw out every sexy thing I had. All clothes that touched me, him and her. He cooked all his own meals while I lost 70 pounds over a year. The nastiest text you ever saw in your life. I told him the first year, you love giving Xmas presents to your whore, you just do Christmas all by yourself. I'm done. He did it all by himself. Bought all the gifts for the family etc.. He got cancer so I told him, I will stay with you until your treatment is done because I had good insurance, then I'm contemplating divorce. I raised to be a good girl? Who was this woman? Then I went from anger to pain to deep hurt and fear. Elle told me to sit in that pain. Breath it in. Feel it. Don't think it away. I did that for a month an emerged ready to give recovery a try. That was a turning point in my life. Then I was a "Don't fuck with me woman, in a nice way." You know what he said that first week of rage? "I didn't know you cared that much." SS1 you are so right about handling the anger. I used to get so mad at Elle when she told me time will help. But she was right.

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    1. Whoops. We kinda talk in shorthand sometimes. D-Day refers to the day you discovered the cheating or the day it was disclosed. And, of course, there's the overtone of war-time invasion. So it all adds up to a pivotal day that in (our) history.

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  7. Rage? I didn’t know i had it in me until he walked through the door. I was alone with our shared computer when i quite by accident found the fake facebook, the fake email address, the fake lifestyle in which i did not exist but the very real emails and encounters And pictures.

    Men were working in the house, friends surprisingly dropped by. I functioned. Barely during the visitv. Inwasn’t feeling anything but sick until he walked in the door. . I am not a violent person. At all.
    MY dogs know hands only touch in love and praise and pleasure. . So did my husband. Until i slapped him across the face. I didn’t see it coming. I aimed to knee his groin. I hit him closed fisted (he is 8 inches taller than me). I held the lap top over my head threateningly to hurl it to the ground. No idea what stopped me. I screamed. I cried. I yanked off the necklaces he’d bought me for Christmas and threw it at him. i pummeled his chest. I made him stay 10 feetvfrim me. Out of reach as my fists had a mind of their own it seemed. I was shameful I was actively angry and in a painful, hurting and hurtful rage three days. Pain masks hurt and pain. But all mine was in the open at once. Weeks later after finding she had met one of my dogs i threwx a hair brush like a missle at him from living room to kitchen. That bothered my shrink.

    D-day 2, two and a half years later i emptied his bookshelves on to the floor book by book while telling him over and over to “ get the fuck out”. When he got out i took everything he owned from our bedroom and dumped it in his office. That rage lasted much longer- burn me twice? Then I’m really burned. Then I’m double hurt. My shrink still insists that i am still harboring anger and hurt i don’t express at the right time. And I’m working on that. I still have anger. I know i do. But it’s hiding and comes out over stupid things. But we’re stull together. Recovery from or in his sex addiction isn’t exactly what i thought it would be. But neither is mine. I think we’re gonna be ok. Not sure I’ll ever love him like i did before for 13 blissful years. But i was in love with an illusion. Now I’m working on loving the person. And for the most part I’m pretty in love.

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  8. Btw great piece Still Standing. Thank you. And as always. Amazing insights from my lovely brave sisters. spouse of a sex addict. I know. It’s an awful place. But i know you know by now. SA is progressive. And it started long long before you were in the picture. None of this is your fault.

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    1. Steam, how long has it been since d-day 2?

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    2. dec 5 will be 18 months since d-day 2
      D-day 1 was December 30 2013
      My H had what’s known as a false recovery all
      Of 2014. It’s a real thing. I thought we were doing so well that i was devestated but much more “prepared” on d-day 2.

      By then i had boundaries in place that i just had to enforce. I didn’t have to wonder what to do. The boundary was that he leaves the house. So he left the house. It took some repetition l, but he was out within 2 hours i think. It still hurt. Like hell. Maybe worse. But i had tools in my hand thistime (including an axe to destroy a gift he bought be between hookers). There’s that rage again. I pride myself in being in sole possession of all his belongings and i didn’t destroy a thing. Whew.

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    3. Steam - I hope I can be as brave as you and not go into flight or fight mode. I cannot imagine a relapse or false recovery, although I am aware this happens. I always wonder if he is actually at his 12 step meeting but from what he is showing me, I believe he is.

      My husband didn't use prostitutes; he had long term physical, emotional, and in some cases phone/picture/video affairs. I'm sure he had some 1 night stands but they were with people he knew (I think). For the most part the "others" were in his life daily and had been for many many years. It was consuming to our husbands, and now that they cannot bear to think about it any longer - it is all consuming for us.

      How do you get over the visions, the mind movies, the conversations that you wished happened?

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    4. I think it’s just time. d day 1 was the hardest to bear. It was 2 people. Both hookers and some inappropriate internet convos with hookers. I had NO idea this was happening. The physical stuff i
      discovered within3 months. The email about a year
      Day 2 was a phone with 48 numbers in it. I can’t evrn play those mins movies. A few still piss me off. We were on vacation. I️ slept in. I had a hangover and don’t usually drink. He went out for coffee and came back with it after two blow jobs. I have no idea how long he’d been gone. I had a ton of convos after day 1. After d day 2 i wouldn’t talk to him. Only texted vile things.
      I texted two hookers. Told one he was dead. Told the other she wasn’t special (the one i had met) and that he continuing to text him back and lead him on to think they were friends was fucking everything up. She blocked him.
      The only convos are i regret are the ones we don’t have now. As i bottle up and avoid. And i wish i would have made him beg a ton more to come home

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    5. apologies on the multiple posts if they are happening, I am trying to recreate the original response that my phone ate--I also, and probably most importantly, helped time along by helping myself-- going to meetings (even if I did not love them) going to therapy (even if it was expensive), going to a group therapy of betrayed spouses, (even if all our stories were different) and reading reading reading a lot--the Books for the Betrayed here is fabulous and I will also add one if it's not there "why wont you apologize" which to me was AMAZING. While not strictly about infidelity at all, it gave me the freedom to not "forgive" and at the same time not get mired in anger and bitterness. I know most EVERYONE demands that you must forgive, but I don't. and this book gave me the freedom not to. It sounds like it might be harmful to not forgive (i wish i could practice radical forgiveness but I just cannot--I've tried) but it's MUCH easier to not forgive than to mutter the words, and not mean them. maybe one day I will forgive, It's not out of the question, but I don't feel pressured, and my H has never asked for forgiveness, some people just don't--thank goodness. Great book.

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  9. SS1 you are so amazing. I appreciate all that you know and share. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Steam, nice to hear from you again. I always hope you will post an update. You have given me much strength.

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  10. OMG all you lovely warriors!! Your words, your stories are mine. The ANGER i felts for months and date i say years is still there at times. Early on my anger was right there at the top ready to be displayed at the slightest provocation. There were times i showed it and times i sat with it. Even today 6 years later it’s still there. I know where to find it. I don’t want to let it go. It’s my protector. But it doesn’t rule me, it guides me. And right next to that anger is sadness but my sadness doesn’t motivate me like my anger. I can use my anger to make better decisions. My anger tells me “no this is not ok”. My anger motivates me to set my boundaries and express them to those who choose to trample my boundaries. My anger has allowed me to lead a better life.

    I don’t hate my anger at all. But thank you for validating my right to feel that anger. More than being angry at others is the anger I’ve felt toward my self for being complacent, naive, trusting, assuming, passively accepting what is thrown at me, always putting others before myself, blaming myself for others bad behavior and most of all for daring to be angry.

    Like most of you beautiful women i Too was taught good girls didn’t show anger. Well no more. My anger serves me. My anger makes things right. And curiously embracing my anger has made me a much happier person!! Yikes talk about a juxtaposition right?

    I can also see how someone seemingly serene and normal can just snap one day to express their anger in the most horrific ways. Which is why there are no firearms in our home!! You let that anger fester for too long pretty soon you will snap and some do. Just turn on the news. You see it everyday.

    My anger has let me too have wonderfully violent fantasies. They scare me that i can even think this stuff up. But once I’ve worked out the fantasy and ride that anger wave i am calm.

    Again i could recount my crazy expressions of anger like all you lovelies. Like right after DDays and reconciliation and MC were in full swing and after a visit to the doctor where he was being tested for “ED” and he told me he didn’t have ED or low testosterone, but was in fact not sexually attracted to me 😳. Oh boy now there was a fantastic expression of anger after hearing that bomb. I can only imagine what the other drivers in the cars next to us thought of the crazy screaming woman in the passenger seat of my car! Boy did i let loose on that one. The f word was never used so eloquently or forcefully that day. And amazingly the dreaded ED disappeared after that as well. I have my own theories on that too.

    So I’m with you. Anger is normal and very real. Don’t bottle that crap up. Feel it and even express it. Anger can be your best friend.

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    1. TryingHard - I love your reply. While I am still extremely ANGRY at my H and the OW ... the anger I'm having the hardest time with is the anger towards myself - both for being naive and trusting ... but also for being "content" with a mediocre life then and now.

      I remember watching Snapped and thinking that I could see how that could happen ... now ... I really see how it happens!

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    2. Hi Kimberley- thank you for your kind words. When i first read this post i felt as if SS1 was inside my head. Anger is so vilified. No ones supposed to be angry. “Forgiveness set you free”. BLLLAH i say. Anger sets you free. It’s ok if you get angry at yourself too. Anger motivates us to make changes. Necessary changes. But don’t go overboard on that anger at yourself. Dont think if you get angry enough that anger in and of itself will change anything. Get angry and question yourself and figure out what you CAN and CANNOT change. But also be angry at your h. How were we to really KNOW what was going on? The took advantage of our trust and love. They used it for their own personal gain, or so they think. Your anger will make sure you never naively trust again.

      Please i don’t want to portray I’m some kind of constant ranting lunatic. Actually my anger takes its form in silence and calm any more. I don’t need to scream and yell but if i needed to resort to that i would not hesitate. Cause I’m not going back to that old way again.

      Along with the anger though Kimberly, be good and gentle with yourself. Take care of YOU Don’t punish yourself for doing and acting as the only way you knew how.

      Hugs sister

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  11. It is comforting that I am not the only one with this rage. I am most enraged when new information comes to light…Its been trickle truthing for 7 months now. I’m the kind that needed to know every detail. I needed to understand his relationship with her despite how much it hurt me. He is the kind that hates confrontation and fears my reactions. We have been doing the truth and downplaying, hysterics and rage tango for 7 months. I’ve also hit him and been ALL sorts of crazy. Guess what his response has been? "Crazy C*&^!" “Stupid B*&^%” I thought to myself ...Oh did he ever call her that?? Then a sinking feeling happens again. He didn't. He cared for her. He would never do that to her because she would not forgive him and the relationship would be over. Because they did not develop the bond that we have. Our bond is special, despite what he has chosen to do with it.
    So turning into this beast of anger doesn't fix me. It never fixes me. It doesn’t fix him, and it doesn’t fix us. It turns me into a person I never wanted to be. I DID accept crumbs... like Ellies most resent post described... I need, we all need, to get to a position where we have OUR needs met, but still be the caring loving and yes, GIVING women, we are inside. I want to be that person and regarded as that kind of person. I want to be the kind of person my kids look up to. I DESERVE to be loved, treated with respect and cared for and I should not accept less. This happy medium between giving and taking is so difficult. Because of our culture, because of our own history and family dynamics because of everything that has happened to us and our hearts. I’m working on it. Some days I get him his coffee, some days I dump it in front of him while mouthing “I hate you”. I’m a work in progress.
    Now I must teach it to my man-boy. It is a hard, grueling process. But (sigh) it is a good day so I can say we are getting there. With a few sleeping aids, anti-depressants, hitting outbursts, screaming matches and lots and lots of I’m sorry from BOTH of us we are getting there. I can do this because he is committing to me again. I could not have done this months ago when he still missed her (it was extremely heart-wretchedly hard to write that….)
    Thank you for the ability to grow with all of you. I read many of your posts and I always thought… man I will never get there with all you level-headed forgiving ladies with your heads on straight and your hearts with healed scars. I thought I would kill him before I got there… or worse myself!! And look at me now. But I must keep in mind I’m having a good day lol. Praying for no more discoveries, no more contact from her… no more surprises and the ability to let that resentment go. Thank you … all of you.
    Lots of love (and still some bits of rage)

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  12. So this may sound absolutely crazy but at times when I get angry thinking of THAT PERSON ( I can't even refer to HER as a her I use the words THAT PERSON) I pretend THAT PERSON is watching me secretly and ALL that I have including, my beautiful home, my family & my husband's affection and love towards me...makes me say IN YOUR FACE then I smile and some anger goes away. It definitely sounds insane but what can I say, we all have little tricks to release that anger.. I would not be able to admit this to anyone other then the ones who are feeling the same pain & anger as I do.

    Xoxoxox

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    1. I LOVE it. Thank you. You made my night!! :)

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  13. I love that too. That person that conspired to destroy my life died this year. She went after my h with a vengeance. She even wrangled a job from him by threats. I envision her pathetic specter roaming this earth watching me and my husband. In your face indeed

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    1. Oh man I didn't realize she had died. I would not wish her fate on anyone if she didn't make what she did right before death. She is not roaming the earth she is writhing in pain in hell.

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